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Dump the CEO, Thirty Years Later

Decision forecasts on whether firing the chief executive moves earnings or the share price

Short version

  • Robin Hanson's "dump the CEO" market never got built. We investigate whether AI forecasting can unlock it.
  • We use EPS three years out as the indicator and ask whether dumping the CEO raises it versus the status quo. Then we compare to the share price version.
  • The differentials between the two decisions are consistently small relative to the uncertainty, and stable between runs, which is necessary for decision forecasts to be useful.
  • We get different results from our earlier Fire the CEO piece and explore how formulating the question matters.

Hanson's question

Three decades ago, Robin Hanson proposed a conditional prediction market to measure the impact of firing the CEO: one market on the share price if the board keeps the chief executive, one if it dumps them, and a rule that the board acts when the dump price sits far enough above the keep price. The goal was better governance. It does not exist partly because of challenges with liquidity, incentives, and causality.

A key promise of accurate, even superhuman, AI forecasting is that the idea is now tractable. Just ask an AI forecaster.

At FutureSearch we recently introduced decision forecasts for situations like the one Hanson envisions. As anyone who has thought hard about conditional forecasts knows, Hanson included, a naive conditional market can give a very different answer from the causal impact participants have in mind. We designed decision forecasts to reflect causal beliefs, at the cost of constraints that narrow the allowed use cases.

Decision forecasts work well for grantmaking because the constraints are satisfied: (1) the grantmaker fully controls the decision, (2) the application supplies the background context, (3) the decision is made soon, and (4) it is irreversible, since you cannot easily take the money back. Under those conditions the forecast is effectively causal. An accurate AI forecaster can truly help guide the decision.

The bigger dream is to extend this to a broader class of deciders, like a board deciding whether to dump the CEO.

Complications for a board

This sounds straightforward at first. You sit on the board, and you ask an AI forecaster whether dumping the CEO would raise the stock price.

One challenge is that the decision is largely reversible. Keep the CEO at this meeting and you can dump them at the next one, or sooner. A forecaster convinced that dumping the CEO will have a big causal impact might forecast little difference between branches, if they expect the CEO to be gone by the following meeting anyway. While this is a challenge, we don't observe it happening in our examples below.

Another is that a board has private information we do not. We can forecast from the outside, but constraint (2) is only partly satisfied. Our product lets a board supply that context and get a better forecast. We just cannot do that from the outside. A real board can.

A third is that a board controls only some things. It can fire a CEO, start a search, and make an offer. It cannot control whether the offer is accepted, or when. It is reasonable to think forecasting a specific appointment is more useful, and that is the approach taken in Fire the CEO, which priced named replacements at ten companies.

A further complication is what the market already thinks or knows. If it expected the board to dump the CEO, an announcement might barely move the stock. If the change is a surprise, the market might assume the board knows something bad it cannot disclose, and the stock might fall. Or it might read the change as good governance.

Hanson asked about stock price. Another formulation is to ask about business fundamentals after a sufficient period, perhaps three years. That is what we do first below, using GAAP earnings per share three years out as a proxy for fundamental value, under both board decisions. Then we compare to the share price version.

What we ran

We used the Fire the CEO piece as the foundation, with a few changes. We dropped Meta, because Zuckerberg holds a voting majority and no board can dump him, and Apple, which had just changed CEOs. We used a keep or dump decision, close to Hanson's, rather than a ladder of named candidates. And we forecast EPS three years out instead of share value one year out.

Every company got the same two alternatives, word for word:

The Board of Directors decides to retain the CEO for now

The Board of Directors decides to replace the CEO

Retain means the board keeps the CEO for now. Replace means it decides now to remove the CEO within three months and searches for a successor meanwhile, with no particular successor assumed. The outcome is the sum of GAAP diluted EPS over the four most recent fiscal quarters reported by August 31, 2029. The details are in a footnote.1

All eight companies went into one decision forecast at high effort. Each run took about twenty minutes and cost about thirty dollars.

Forecasting results

RetainReplaceWhisker p10 to p90, box p25 to p75, tick and number p50.
Boeing010Boeing, Retain: p10 0.57, p25 3.97, p50 7.13, p75 10.37, p90 14.10 (USD per share)7.13RetainBoeing, Replace: p10 -0.70, p25 2.77, p50 5.93, p75 9.40, p90 14.50 (USD per share)5.93Replace
Intuit102030Intuit, Retain: p10 12.93, p25 19.77, p50 24.83, p75 29.10, p90 33.50 (USD per share)24.83RetainIntuit, Replace: p10 10.07, p25 17.33, p50 23.00, p75 28.37, p90 34.33 (USD per share)23.00Replace
Adobe2030Adobe, Retain: p10 15.10, p25 19.63, p50 23.33, p75 27.40, p90 31.70 (USD per share)23.33RetainAdobe, Replace: p10 13.40, p25 18.57, p50 22.53, p75 27.33, p90 32.40 (USD per share)22.53Replace
Bank of America468Bank of America, Retain: p10 3.88, p25 5.13, p50 6.08, p75 6.92, p90 7.68 (USD per share)6.08RetainBank of America, Replace: p10 3.57, p25 4.90, p50 5.89, p75 6.85, p90 7.75 (USD per share)5.89Replace
3M5103M, Retain: p10 5.20, p25 7.83, p50 9.50, p75 10.87, p90 12.17 (USD per share)9.50Retain3M, Replace: p10 4.20, p25 6.83, p50 8.63, p75 10.30, p90 12.40 (USD per share)8.63Replace
Disney510Disney, Retain: p10 4.58, p25 6.20, p50 7.48, p75 8.70, p90 9.92 (USD per share)7.48RetainDisney, Replace: p10 3.95, p25 5.65, p50 6.98, p75 8.30, p90 10.15 (USD per share)6.98Replace
Tesla05Tesla, Retain: p10 -0.42, p25 0.95, p50 2.35, p75 4.32, p90 7.43 (USD per share)2.35RetainTesla, Replace: p10 -0.28, p25 1.07, p50 2.33, p75 3.82, p90 5.72 (USD per share)2.33Replace
UnitedHealth2030UnitedHealth, Retain: p10 15.03, p25 20.37, p50 24.37, p75 28.50, p90 32.60 (USD per share)24.37RetainUnitedHealth, Replace: p10 12.97, p25 18.60, p50 22.83, p75 27.10, p90 33.20 (USD per share)22.83Replace

Trailing-twelve-month GAAP diluted EPS as of August 31, 2029, USD per share. Each panel has its own scale.

Table view
CompanyBranchp10p25p50p75p90
BoeingRetain0.573.977.1310.3714.10
BoeingReplace-0.702.775.939.4014.50
IntuitRetain12.9319.7724.8329.1033.50
IntuitReplace10.0717.3323.0028.3734.33
AdobeRetain15.1019.6323.3327.4031.70
AdobeReplace13.4018.5722.5327.3332.40
Bank of AmericaRetain3.885.136.086.927.68
Bank of AmericaReplace3.574.905.896.857.75
3MRetain5.207.839.5010.8712.17
3MReplace4.206.838.6310.3012.40
DisneyRetain4.586.207.488.709.92
DisneyReplace3.955.656.988.3010.15
TeslaRetain-0.420.952.354.327.43
TeslaReplace-0.281.072.333.825.72
UnitedHealthRetain15.0320.3724.3728.5032.60
UnitedHealthReplace12.9718.6022.8327.1033.20

In every case the forecaster expects dumping the CEO to lower EPS three years out. The differentials are small relative to the confidence interval, every gap but Tesla's at 5 to 12 percent of the retain branch's p10 to p90 band, so we read the forecasts as saying there is no huge change either way, which matches our priors. Tesla is the exception: no earnings effect, but a narrower distribution under replacement, because a professional successor would cut the capital expenditure binge and forfeit the CEO award's stock compensation, raising the floor, while losing the autonomy upside, lowering the ceiling. Replace bands are wider at the bottom and slightly higher at the top almost everywhere, the shape you would expect if a transition mostly adds downside with a small chance of a better operator.

Is the differential stable?

As anyone who uses LLMs knows, you get a slightly different answer every time you ask the same question. So when you care about the differential between two cases, the same forecaster should answer both at the same time, from one view of the situation. That is how a decision forecast works: both branches are researched jointly inside one row. To test how much this buys, we ran the identical eight rows again.

Retain, run 1Replace, run 1Retain, run 2Replace, run 2Whisker p10 to p90, box p25 to p75, tick and number p50.
Boeing010Boeing, Retain, run 1: p10 0.6, p25 4.0, p50 7.1, p75 10.4, p90 14.1 (USD per share)7.1Retain 1Boeing, Replace, run 1: p10 -0.7, p25 2.8, p50 5.9, p75 9.4, p90 14.5 (USD per share)5.9Replace 1Boeing, Retain, run 2: p10 1.0, p25 4.6, p50 7.6, p75 10.7, p90 14.8 (USD per share)7.6Retain 2Boeing, Replace, run 2: p10 -0.6, p25 3.2, p50 6.4, p75 9.6, p90 14.9 (USD per share)6.4Replace 2
Intuit102030Intuit, Retain, run 1: p10 12.9, p25 19.8, p50 24.8, p75 29.1, p90 33.5 (USD per share)24.8Retain 1Intuit, Replace, run 1: p10 10.1, p25 17.3, p50 23.0, p75 28.4, p90 34.3 (USD per share)23.0Replace 1Intuit, Retain, run 2: p10 15.2, p25 20.8, p50 25.3, p75 29.7, p90 34.2 (USD per share)25.3Retain 2Intuit, Replace, run 2: p10 12.5, p25 18.7, p50 24.0, p75 29.4, p90 34.9 (USD per share)24.0Replace 2
Adobe2030Adobe, Retain, run 1: p10 15.1, p25 19.6, p50 23.3, p75 27.4, p90 31.7 (USD per share)23.3Retain 1Adobe, Replace, run 1: p10 13.4, p25 18.6, p50 22.5, p75 27.3, p90 32.4 (USD per share)22.5Replace 1Adobe, Retain, run 2: p10 14.2, p25 19.4, p50 23.6, p75 27.6, p90 31.8 (USD per share)23.6Retain 2Adobe, Replace, run 2: p10 12.5, p25 17.8, p50 22.5, p75 27.3, p90 32.3 (USD per share)22.5Replace 2
Bank of America468Bank of America, Retain, run 1: p10 3.9, p25 5.1, p50 6.1, p75 6.9, p90 7.7 (USD per share)6.1Retain 1Bank of America, Replace, run 1: p10 3.6, p25 4.9, p50 5.9, p75 6.9, p90 7.8 (USD per share)5.9Replace 1Bank of America, Retain, run 2: p10 4.0, p25 5.1, p50 6.0, p75 6.8, p90 7.7 (USD per share)6.0Retain 2Bank of America, Replace, run 2: p10 3.7, p25 4.8, p50 5.8, p75 6.8, p90 7.8 (USD per share)5.8Replace 2
3M5103M, Retain, run 1: p10 5.2, p25 7.8, p50 9.5, p75 10.9, p90 12.2 (USD per share)9.5Retain 13M, Replace, run 1: p10 4.2, p25 6.8, p50 8.6, p75 10.3, p90 12.4 (USD per share)8.6Replace 13M, Retain, run 2: p10 4.9, p25 7.7, p50 9.5, p75 10.9, p90 12.2 (USD per share)9.5Retain 23M, Replace, run 2: p10 3.8, p25 6.8, p50 8.6, p75 10.2, p90 11.6 (USD per share)8.6Replace 2
Disney510Disney, Retain, run 1: p10 4.6, p25 6.2, p50 7.5, p75 8.7, p90 9.9 (USD per share)7.5Retain 1Disney, Replace, run 1: p10 4.0, p25 5.7, p50 7.0, p75 8.3, p90 10.2 (USD per share)7.0Replace 1Disney, Retain, run 2: p10 4.5, p25 6.2, p50 7.5, p75 8.8, p90 10.3 (USD per share)7.5Retain 2Disney, Replace, run 2: p10 3.7, p25 5.5, p50 6.9, p75 8.4, p90 10.4 (USD per share)6.9Replace 2
Tesla05Tesla, Retain, run 1: p10 -0.4, p25 1.0, p50 2.4, p75 4.3, p90 7.4 (USD per share)2.4Retain 1Tesla, Replace, run 1: p10 -0.3, p25 1.1, p50 2.3, p75 3.8, p90 5.7 (USD per share)2.3Replace 1Tesla, Retain, run 2: p10 -0.5, p25 0.7, p50 2.0, p75 3.7, p90 6.2 (USD per share)2.0Retain 2Tesla, Replace, run 2: p10 -0.1, p25 0.9, p50 2.2, p75 3.5, p90 5.4 (USD per share)2.2Replace 2
UnitedHealth2030UnitedHealth, Retain, run 1: p10 15.0, p25 20.4, p50 24.4, p75 28.5, p90 32.6 (USD per share)24.4Retain 1UnitedHealth, Replace, run 1: p10 13.0, p25 18.6, p50 22.8, p75 27.1, p90 33.2 (USD per share)22.8Replace 1UnitedHealth, Retain, run 2: p10 14.2, p25 20.3, p50 24.8, p75 28.9, p90 33.0 (USD per share)24.8Retain 2UnitedHealth, Replace, run 2: p10 11.8, p25 18.6, p50 23.5, p75 28.3, p90 33.4 (USD per share)23.5Replace 2

The same eight rows forecast twice. Filled boxes are run 1, hollow boxes run 2. USD per share.

Table view
CompanyBranchp10p25p50p75p90
BoeingRetain, run 10.64.07.110.414.1
BoeingReplace, run 1-0.72.85.99.414.5
BoeingRetain, run 21.04.67.610.714.8
BoeingReplace, run 2-0.63.26.49.614.9
IntuitRetain, run 112.919.824.829.133.5
IntuitReplace, run 110.117.323.028.434.3
IntuitRetain, run 215.220.825.329.734.2
IntuitReplace, run 212.518.724.029.434.9
AdobeRetain, run 115.119.623.327.431.7
AdobeReplace, run 113.418.622.527.332.4
AdobeRetain, run 214.219.423.627.631.8
AdobeReplace, run 212.517.822.527.332.3
Bank of AmericaRetain, run 13.95.16.16.97.7
Bank of AmericaReplace, run 13.64.95.96.97.8
Bank of AmericaRetain, run 24.05.16.06.87.7
Bank of AmericaReplace, run 23.74.85.86.87.8
3MRetain, run 15.27.89.510.912.2
3MReplace, run 14.26.88.610.312.4
3MRetain, run 24.97.79.510.912.2
3MReplace, run 23.86.88.610.211.6
DisneyRetain, run 14.66.27.58.79.9
DisneyReplace, run 14.05.77.08.310.2
DisneyRetain, run 24.56.27.58.810.3
DisneyReplace, run 23.75.56.98.410.4
TeslaRetain, run 1-0.41.02.44.37.4
TeslaReplace, run 1-0.31.12.33.85.7
TeslaRetain, run 2-0.50.72.03.76.2
TeslaReplace, run 2-0.10.92.23.55.4
UnitedHealthRetain, run 115.020.424.428.532.6
UnitedHealthReplace, run 113.018.622.827.133.2
UnitedHealthRetain, run 214.220.324.828.933.0
UnitedHealthReplace, run 211.818.623.528.333.4

The absolute levels move by up to half a dollar. The differential moves less and points the same way in fifteen of sixteen company-runs; Tesla, with no effect to begin with, is the exception. Seven of eight gaps reproduce within thirty cents. The fact that the causal impact of the board's decision is a stable output builds our trust in its recommendations.

What does the framing do to the level?

As another check, we asked for the unconditional EPS forecast: the same eight questions as ordinary forecasts, with no alternatives. If the decision framing were neutral, this should land near the retain branch.

CompanyPlain forecastRetain branchReplace branch
Boeing5.937.135.93
Intuit26.8024.8323.00
Adobe24.3023.3322.53
Bank of America5.986.085.89
3M9.409.508.63
Disney7.587.486.98
Tesla2.002.352.33
UnitedHealth25.8524.3722.83

Medians, USD per share.

There is clearly more noise in the absolute EPS forecasts, but they do not move a lot when compared to the confidence interval. Again, we find this reassuring.

Share price instead of earnings

Hanson asked about price, so we asked too. Same eight companies, same alternatives, same context, with the outcome switched to the adjusted closing price on August 31, 2029, on the standard total-return convention: every dividend and distribution reinvested, adjusted only for splits.

RetainReplaceWhisker p10 to p90, box p25 to p75, tick and number p50.
Boeing200400Boeing, Retain: p10 144, p25 198, p50 271, p75 357, p90 458 (USD per share)271RetainBoeing, Replace: p10 125, p25 179, p50 248, p75 335, p90 442 (USD per share)248Replace
Intuit500Intuit, Retain: p10 162, p25 272, p50 431, p75 620, p90 862 (USD per share)431RetainIntuit, Replace: p10 147, p25 259, p50 418, p75 637, p90 902 (USD per share)418Replace
Adobe200400600Adobe, Retain: p10 152, p25 221, p50 316, p75 447, p90 600 (USD per share)316RetainAdobe, Replace: p10 143, p25 211, p50 307, p75 443, p90 610 (USD per share)307Replace
Bank of America50100Bank of America, Retain: p10 51, p25 66, p50 84, p75 105, p90 129 (USD per share)84RetainBank of America, Replace: p10 47, p25 63, p50 82, p75 106, p90 134 (USD per share)82Replace
3M1002003003M, Retain: p10 131, p25 173, p50 220, p75 278, p90 340 (USD per share)220Retain3M, Replace: p10 113, p25 151, p50 197, p75 254, p90 317 (USD per share)197Replace
Disney100200Disney, Retain: p10 80, p25 104, p50 135, p75 176, p90 223 (USD per share)135RetainDisney, Replace: p10 71, p25 94, p50 128, p75 171, p90 227 (USD per share)128Replace
Tesla5001,000Tesla, Retain: p10 153, p25 262, p50 430, p75 705, p90 1,123 (USD per share)430RetainTesla, Replace: p10 103, p25 187, p50 320, p75 513, p90 843 (USD per share)320Replace
UnitedHealth500UnitedHealth, Retain: p10 284, p25 402, p50 528, p75 689, p90 874 (USD per share)528RetainUnitedHealth, Replace: p10 254, p25 374, p50 501, p75 670, p90 883 (USD per share)501Replace

Adjusted close on August 31, 2029, USD per share, dividends and distributions reinvested. Closes on September 4, 2026: Boeing 211, Intuit 333, Adobe 266, Bank of America 62, 3M 169, Disney 105, Tesla 353, UnitedHealth 398.

Table view
CompanyBranchp10p25p50p75p90
BoeingRetain144198271357458
BoeingReplace125179248335442
IntuitRetain162272431620862
IntuitReplace147259418637902
AdobeRetain152221316447600
AdobeReplace143211307443610
Bank of AmericaRetain516684105129
Bank of AmericaReplace476382106134
3MRetain131173220278340
3MReplace113151197254317
DisneyRetain80104135176223
DisneyReplace7194128171227
TeslaRetain1532624307051,123
TeslaReplace103187320513843
UnitedHealthRetain284402528689874
UnitedHealthReplace254374501670883

Replace is again below retain everywhere, but where the earnings discounts were uniform, the price discounts are concentrated. Tesla loses a quarter of its median value on a forced Musk exit; 3M and Boeing lose about a tenth. Tesla had no CEO effect on earnings and a large one on price: the forecaster is pricing Musk into the multiple, not the income statement.

These results differ from Fire the CEO, which found replacements that added value at several of these companies: its alternatives appointed a willing, named successor within weeks, while ours fires first and searches after, and the forecaster prices that difference at several points of share value.

Take-aways

We explored whether AI forecasting might achieve what Hanson hoped for from his dump-the-CEO markets. For a board deciding on the CEO, the key is the differential impact of the decision. With our decision forecaster that differential is stable across repeated runs and consistent across companies, and, importantly, it reflects the causal impact of the decision rather than the potentially confounded conditional-market version. We find this encouraging.

We also showed that question formulation matters. We got different results from our Fire the CEO version of the questions, and by using EPS instead of stock price we got a markedly different answer for Tesla, because of the valuation multiple the market attributes to Musk.

We hope to keep exploring and expanding the use cases where AI decision forecasting can give decision makers more value on consequential topics.

Try decision forecasts yourself on our app by starting a query with the keyword "Decision".

The forecasts behind this piece, with their full rationales: EPS, run 1, EPS, run 2, EPS without the decision framing, and share price.

Footnotes

  1. The two alternatives are defined once, in a shared context every row sees. Replace: the board decides now to remove the chief executive within three months and uses that period to prepare the transition, including a search for a successor; the forecaster is told to assume no particular successor and to price the expectation over whoever a real search by that board would produce, interim appointments included. Retain: the board keeps the CEO for now and initiates no change; an already-announced succession (Adobe's) proceeds on its own timetable, so retain does not mean the CEO stays through 2029. Under both, the company stays independent through the horizon. The outcome uses GAAP rather than the company's adjusted figure, because adjusted EPS is the number a new CEO can most easily redefine and because write-downs and restructuring charges are part of what a replacement causes. Buybacks count, since EPS is per share at the time. Spin-offs follow one rule: distributed shares or cash are treated as sold and reinvested in the parent. Each row's background is the Fire the CEO description of the company, minus every named candidate, anchored on current trailing EPS.